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	<description>Connecting public relations academics and professionals. Managed by Bob Batchelor</description>
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		<title>Comment on Public Relations and Advertising Integration: Get on Board with the Inevitable by Maripat Blankenheim</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/11/14/public-relations-and-advertising-integration-get-on-board-with-the-inevitable/#comment-28805</link>
		<author>Maripat Blankenheim</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Bill knows, I've also been slow to approve the public relations and advertising merger, primarily because I'm not yet convinced this marriage is inevitable. Dating, yes. A little heavy petting in the backseat, maybe. But not marriage. I think it's still important to maintain the character and reputation of public relations as a critical component of the mix, which also includes marketing and advertising. Losing sight of those distinctions becomes a slippery slope that may eventually degrade the profession and its activities. Denying it's importance in search of greater acceptance is part of that degradation.

I bristled at "the baggage of the public relations nomenclature" reference. Let's not become our own worst enemy is this menage a trois with marketing and advertising by losing our professional identity. That's how feminisim got to be a four-letter word.

Nonetheless, great discussion of the issues that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Bill knows, I&#8217;ve also been slow to approve the public relations and advertising merger, primarily because I&#8217;m not yet convinced this marriage is inevitable. Dating, yes. A little heavy petting in the backseat, maybe. But not marriage. I think it&#8217;s still important to maintain the character and reputation of public relations as a critical component of the mix, which also includes marketing and advertising. Losing sight of those distinctions becomes a slippery slope that may eventually degrade the profession and its activities. Denying it&#8217;s importance in search of greater acceptance is part of that degradation.</p>
<p>I bristled at &#8220;the baggage of the public relations nomenclature&#8221; reference. Let&#8217;s not become our own worst enemy is this menage a trois with marketing and advertising by losing our professional identity. That&#8217;s how feminisim got to be a four-letter word.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, great discussion of the issues that matter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Public Relations and Advertising Integration: Get on Board with the Inevitable by Blair Boone</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/11/14/public-relations-and-advertising-integration-get-on-board-with-the-inevitable/#comment-28803</link>
		<author>Blair Boone</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/11/14/public-relations-and-advertising-integration-get-on-board-with-the-inevitable/#comment-28803</guid>
		<description>No surprise I don't have a problem with integration, since I'm a career-long ad guy. As a career-long writer, I also agree completely we're in the content business. I'll demur on the title "marketing," as it's not the most popular moniker among advertising folks, especially creatives.

I'll suggest only one thing: when we talk about being in the content business, we need to make clear we are content creators, not content managers. Sure, we manage content as well, but first it has to be created. Messages have to be developed and presented clearly, concisely, accurately and effectively.

The ability to create the right message for the right situation is what sets us apart from everyone else.

The way to make sure everyone understands and values that unique contribution is to train ourselves and everyone in our business to create those effective messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise I don&#8217;t have a problem with integration, since I&#8217;m a career-long ad guy. As a career-long writer, I also agree completely we&#8217;re in the content business. I&#8217;ll demur on the title &#8220;marketing,&#8221; as it&#8217;s not the most popular moniker among advertising folks, especially creatives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll suggest only one thing: when we talk about being in the content business, we need to make clear we are content creators, not content managers. Sure, we manage content as well, but first it has to be created. Messages have to be developed and presented clearly, concisely, accurately and effectively.</p>
<p>The ability to create the right message for the right situation is what sets us apart from everyone else.</p>
<p>The way to make sure everyone understands and values that unique contribution is to train ourselves and everyone in our business to create those effective messages.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Public Relations and Advertising Integration: Get on Board with the Inevitable by Bill Sledzik</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/11/14/public-relations-and-advertising-integration-get-on-board-with-the-inevitable/#comment-28779</link>
		<author>Bill Sledzik</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/11/14/public-relations-and-advertising-integration-get-on-board-with-the-inevitable/#comment-28779</guid>
		<description>Your post captures my thoughts precisely, Bob. But I suspect the gnashing of teeth will continue among the PR purists. It's time to let it go and to unite under one banner. I'm still not crazy about the "marketing" title, but it would appear that's who gets naming rights here. 

This new model also raises questions about where, within the academy, to place this new strategic communication discipline. I haven't solved that one yet.

As you know, I was a longtime opponent of integrated marketing until a few years ago. The explosion of the social web -- combined with data mining and precision message targeting -- makes this more than inevitable. It's fait accompli.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post captures my thoughts precisely, Bob. But I suspect the gnashing of teeth will continue among the PR purists. It&#8217;s time to let it go and to unite under one banner. I&#8217;m still not crazy about the &#8220;marketing&#8221; title, but it would appear that&#8217;s who gets naming rights here. </p>
<p>This new model also raises questions about where, within the academy, to place this new strategic communication discipline. I haven&#8217;t solved that one yet.</p>
<p>As you know, I was a longtime opponent of integrated marketing until a few years ago. The explosion of the social web &#8212; combined with data mining and precision message targeting &#8212; makes this more than inevitable. It&#8217;s fait accompli.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Silliness of the &#8220;Overly-Educated&#8221; Argument by Karen Russell</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/09/17/silliness-of-the-overly-educated-argument/#comment-26203</link>
		<author>Karen Russell</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/09/17/silliness-of-the-overly-educated-argument/#comment-26203</guid>
		<description>Hey Bob, glad to see you responded. I post the Week's Best to get people thinking and I wondered what students would make of those posts... especially because I'm teaching 21 grad students this semester!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bob, glad to see you responded. I post the Week&#8217;s Best to get people thinking and I wondered what students would make of those posts&#8230; especially because I&#8217;m teaching 21 grad students this semester!</p>
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		<title>Comment on PR Vs. Marketing &#8212; The Argument Goes On and On&#8230; by Bob Batchelor</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/02/07/pr-vs-marketing-the-argument-goes-on-and-on/#comment-17692</link>
		<author>Bob Batchelor</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/02/07/pr-vs-marketing-the-argument-goes-on-and-on/#comment-17692</guid>
		<description>Hi Meg, I certainly agree with you about PR needing a PR campaign. Amazingly, Rob has a PR background and he still views PR as nothing more than media relations. What hope is there in influencing business execs and the general public about PR if our own people don't get it?

I'm just trying to point out why PR needs a PR campaign with the remark about PR as a "female profession." For better or worse, the truth needs highlighted and the PR business is full of contradictions -- like the "manly" idea that Marketing is a good major, but PR isn't. And, how about the disparity between male and female salaries in PR? So, it's supposedly a female profession, but men in it still make more money for comparable work.

As far as popular culture is concerned, PR is either evil, spin, unethical, immoral, publicity, splashy, party-planning, insignificant, pushy, or celebrity-obsessed. Maybe some of all...Another area where PR professionals have lost sight of themselves and their industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Meg, I certainly agree with you about PR needing a PR campaign. Amazingly, Rob has a PR background and he still views PR as nothing more than media relations. What hope is there in influencing business execs and the general public about PR if our own people don&#8217;t get it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just trying to point out why PR needs a PR campaign with the remark about PR as a &#8220;female profession.&#8221; For better or worse, the truth needs highlighted and the PR business is full of contradictions &#8212; like the &#8220;manly&#8221; idea that Marketing is a good major, but PR isn&#8217;t. And, how about the disparity between male and female salaries in PR? So, it&#8217;s supposedly a female profession, but men in it still make more money for comparable work.</p>
<p>As far as popular culture is concerned, PR is either evil, spin, unethical, immoral, publicity, splashy, party-planning, insignificant, pushy, or celebrity-obsessed. Maybe some of all&#8230;Another area where PR professionals have lost sight of themselves and their industry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on PR Vs. Marketing &#8212; The Argument Goes On and On&#8230; by Meg</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/02/07/pr-vs-marketing-the-argument-goes-on-and-on/#comment-17691</link>
		<author>Meg</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/02/07/pr-vs-marketing-the-argument-goes-on-and-on/#comment-17691</guid>
		<description>The problem is that public relations needs a PR campaign to help better define what it is. Too often people substitute media relations for public relations. 

In my role at a large agency, I spend about 5% of my time on editorial outreach. Sure, I have quite a few colleagues who spend 80% of their time doing media relations, but there are just as many - if not more - who do member outreach, internal communications, crisis prevention and management, strategy development, creative design and digital development, event production, campaign execution... the list goes on and on. 

I've noticed more and more PR firms calling themselves "communications consultancies" rather than PR agencies. Interesting, and appropriate, shift in nomenclature. 

I do take slight offense to this remark! “...particularly given pop culture’s role in pushing PR as a female profession."

Ouch!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that public relations needs a PR campaign to help better define what it is. Too often people substitute media relations for public relations. </p>
<p>In my role at a large agency, I spend about 5% of my time on editorial outreach. Sure, I have quite a few colleagues who spend 80% of their time doing media relations, but there are just as many - if not more - who do member outreach, internal communications, crisis prevention and management, strategy development, creative design and digital development, event production, campaign execution&#8230; the list goes on and on. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed more and more PR firms calling themselves &#8220;communications consultancies&#8221; rather than PR agencies. Interesting, and appropriate, shift in nomenclature. </p>
<p>I do take slight offense to this remark! “&#8230;particularly given pop culture’s role in pushing PR as a female profession.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouch!  <img src='http://pr-bridge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Kent State University Public Relations Online M.A. Program Offers Cutting-Edge Curriculum: Official Launch for Students Entering World of Online Education by Oneal Degrassi</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/01/10/kent-state-university-public-relations-online-ma-program-offers-cutting-edge-curriculum-official-launch-for-students-entering-world-of-online-education/#comment-17525</link>
		<author>Oneal Degrassi</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2011/01/10/kent-state-university-public-relations-online-ma-program-offers-cutting-edge-curriculum-official-launch-for-students-entering-world-of-online-education/#comment-17525</guid>
		<description>I'm glad you brought this to the attention of your readers. Online education is growing - and growing at an enormous rate. Like you said, who has the time to go back to college when we're working and taking care of kids and who knows what else.

I have seen online programs prosper over the last few years and now, especially after President Obama's State of the Union Address, the interest in these programs is growing even faster.

Time for a new computer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you brought this to the attention of your readers. Online education is growing - and growing at an enormous rate. Like you said, who has the time to go back to college when we&#8217;re working and taking care of kids and who knows what else.</p>
<p>I have seen online programs prosper over the last few years and now, especially after President Obama&#8217;s State of the Union Address, the interest in these programs is growing even faster.</p>
<p>Time for a new computer!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5 Most Underrated and Overrated Songs since 1950 by Jocuri gratis</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2008/07/28/5-most-underrated-and-overrated-songs-since-1950/#comment-15601</link>
		<author>Jocuri gratis</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2008/07/28/5-most-underrated-and-overrated-songs-since-1950/#comment-15601</guid>
		<description>Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin it's the greatest song ever!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Quoted in Miami Herald Story on Michael Jackson by Bob Batchelor</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2010/06/24/quoted-in-miami-herald-story-on-michael-jackson/#comment-13843</link>
		<author>Bob Batchelor</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pr-bridge.com/2010/06/24/quoted-in-miami-herald-story-on-michael-jackson/#comment-13843</guid>
		<description>@ Tim, thanks for the info. The article has zipped around the world, in numerous papers in the U.S. and others overseas. Pretty interesting how quickly it spreads via the Web.

We were really focused on MJ and what has happened with his reputation and estate since his death. However, your comments re Jones are right on the mark. The combo of Jones and Jackson was really phenomenal and produced incredible music that altered the industry forever.

Thanks for stopping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tim, thanks for the info. The article has zipped around the world, in numerous papers in the U.S. and others overseas. Pretty interesting how quickly it spreads via the Web.</p>
<p>We were really focused on MJ and what has happened with his reputation and estate since his death. However, your comments re Jones are right on the mark. The combo of Jones and Jackson was really phenomenal and produced incredible music that altered the industry forever.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survivors, Gut-Toters, and Tea Baggers: Communications Lessons from Roaming through American Popular Culture, Part I by Tim Roberts</title>
		<link>http://pr-bridge.com/2010/05/17/survivors-gut-toters-and-tea-baggers-communications-lessons-from-roaming-through-american-popular-culture-part-i/#comment-13836</link>
		<author>Tim Roberts</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 22:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are spot-on when talking about how Survivor illustrates communication lessons. But I respectfully disagree with you about Russell. 
He is an example that in Survivor or in the corporate world, you have to have a social game as well as a strategic game.

I think Russell was the most entertaining contestant in the show's history, 
but he lost because his quest for power and his actions in his own self-interest turned people off. He ruled by intimidation, bullying and, in his first season, by sabotaging his own tribe. His sins did not go unpunished. I've seen the same thing happen in the private sector - smart, talented people who like to abuse or intimidate co-workers get ahead for a while, but they eventually get their comeuppance. 

The females in Russell's alliance (Parvati (sp?), Jeri and Sandra) easily could have gotten rid of him. But Parvati, the real leader, wanted him in the final three because she knew he wouldn't get any votes. (Unfortunately, she did not take Sandra into account). If you are up for a promotion, don't you want to compete against the office jackass for it?

The jury did vote for the last deserving person, and you hit the nail on the head about Rupert. But I would have voted for Parvati (a past winner). She was a strong, smart player who came up with the boldest move in the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are spot-on when talking about how Survivor illustrates communication lessons. But I respectfully disagree with you about Russell.<br />
He is an example that in Survivor or in the corporate world, you have to have a social game as well as a strategic game.</p>
<p>I think Russell was the most entertaining contestant in the show&#8217;s history,<br />
but he lost because his quest for power and his actions in his own self-interest turned people off. He ruled by intimidation, bullying and, in his first season, by sabotaging his own tribe. His sins did not go unpunished. I&#8217;ve seen the same thing happen in the private sector - smart, talented people who like to abuse or intimidate co-workers get ahead for a while, but they eventually get their comeuppance. </p>
<p>The females in Russell&#8217;s alliance (Parvati (sp?), Jeri and Sandra) easily could have gotten rid of him. But Parvati, the real leader, wanted him in the final three because she knew he wouldn&#8217;t get any votes. (Unfortunately, she did not take Sandra into account). If you are up for a promotion, don&#8217;t you want to compete against the office jackass for it?</p>
<p>The jury did vote for the last deserving person, and you hit the nail on the head about Rupert. But I would have voted for Parvati (a past winner). She was a strong, smart player who came up with the boldest move in the game.</p>
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